OSR Report #5 Southwest Region Grey County

Witness Report - Date submitted:  Sunday, Oct. 28, 2007_________________________________

Type of Report:  Sighting

Date of Incident: 1987 Feb. approx.

Season:  Winter

Time of Day: 12:15 am

Weather Conditions:  There was snow on the ground and there was some fog. The snow was not deep. There was not a lot of snow, the hwy was bare and temp was above freezing. There was some fog or mist in the field but not on the road

Duration of Incident:  4 to 5 seconds

Location:  Grey Highlands

Location Description:  On hwy. 10 between Dundalk and Flasherton, about 3 to 4 miles north of the turn to Dundalk.

Nearest Town: Dundalk

Nearest Road: hwy. 10

Description of Incident___________________________________________________

A neighbour and I had just left work in Dundalk after midnight. We were heading north on hwy. 10. The sasquatch crossed the highway very quickly in front of us. I said "did you see that?" and my friend said "did you see that? There was snow on the ground and there was some fog. The snow was not deep. We did not go back the next day to look for

prints, I wish we had. The year might be off a bit but my ex. Neighbour might be able to pin point it better.My daughter in London had a partner who said his Dad had seen a Sasquatch while he was hunting, back at the camp while his other friends were off somewhere. The man who told his son, is dead now but maybe his son could tell you more. Some of the man's friends may still be alive to tell you more. If you are inerested I will provide you with a number if he says its O.K.

Witness Activities: Driving north on Hwy 10

Other Witnesses: Yes, a neighbour

Subject Description: The sasquatch was tall, over six feet, maybe closer to seven. It has been quite a few years since I saw it . I have not been in contact with my friend so you could ask her and see if our stories are the same. It looked to me to be a male because it did not have breasts like a female. The hair was long and kind of stuck together. The hair wasn.t like the pictures I saw on one of the sites, it was much longer and grey colour. It did have eyes, a mouth and nose like a human.I wish I had come forward much sooner. My partner told me about this site. It is nice to know that others have seen one also. My family has never said they don't believe me, but. I have never changed my story over the years. I know what I saw. I'am not a ding a ling type of person.

Investigation Report_____________________________________________________

Investigated by: Pat Barker

I conducted a phone interview with the female witness on Nov. 30, 2007. We spoke a second time by phone a few days later as a follow-up, and also to get contact information for the second witness in the car. I then spoke with the second witness who confirmed most of the details and added a few more.

Because the incident happened 20 years ago, the witness was unable to remember the exact date, but since there was snow on the ground, she felt that it had probably happened in winter, possibly February.

The witness and her friend/co-worker had just left work in Dundalk, Ontario and were driving north on Hwy 10 on their way home. It was shortly after midnight, approximately 12:15 am. The co-worker was driving a small Volkswagon-type vehicle, and the witness was in the passenger seat.

Hwy 10 is a two-lane paved road. There’s a ditch to either side of the road and then a cleared median area of approx. 15 feet beyond that to the farm fields. There were no trees visible close to the road in the median area where the sighting occurred, but the few trees that were there were closer to the farm fields. The landscape is flat in the area, and is mostly farmland. All along Hwy 10 there are farms with barns and other outbuildings set close to the road. Behind the buildings are the farm fields which don’t go back very far and beyond the fields are woods.

There was some fog on the roadway, but more fog beyond the road, making it difficult to see past the tree break to either side of the road. Despite this, they could see clearly in front of the car. They were going about 80 km/hour which was the speed limit. They had just come out of a curve in the road into a straight stretch. Ahead, they were approaching to a bit of a hill, with a slight curve beyond that. There was a vehicle coming towards them on the other side of the road on this flat stretch.

The whole incident happened quickly, in about 4 to 5 seconds. They saw a very large grey coloured creature that she could only describe as a sasquatch. It was on the pavement by the time they saw him. They noticed the creature as it was right in front of them. It was walking left to right, crossing the road on a bit of an angle from west to south east. At this point, the driver hit the brakes and slowed down. The creature crossed the road in 4 to 5 steps. It looked at the two women for about a ½ second when it was almost directly in front of them, a bit to right-centre of the car, then it turned away and kept going, disappearing into the fog off the right side of the road. The other vehicle slowed down too, so for a brief moment, the creature was caught between 2 sets of headlights. The witness estimated that the creature was very close, about 10 feet away when it crossed in front of them. She described the steps it took as 4 to 5 long strides taken in about 4 to 5 seconds. She remembered it’s long leg strides, and said it was moving as fast as it could without running. “A very fast brisk walk, but it was not running.” She also said, “Yes, it noticed us, looked at us then quickly looked away and kept going.” The witness described the hair as “not well manicured, more like a dog coming out of a swamp that shook himself”.

Witness’s Description of Creature:________________________

Height: Between 6 and 7 feet, guessing closer to 7 ft.

Weight: About 240 lbs., but witness explained she wasn’t very good at estimating.

Gender: She was certain it was a male. She could see no breasts to indicate it was female.

Build: Solid. It wasn’t fat and wasn’t skinny. With hair, it’s hard to tell.

Body shape: Like a man’s, covered in hair

Hair appearance and texture: The hair was long and kind of stuck together. The hair wasn’t like the pictures I saw on one of the sites, it was much longer and grey colour. It was grey, kind of matted together, not like dreadlocks, but damp and sticking together. It wasn’t fluffy, the weather was foggy, damp. Hair didn’t look dirty. It looked like animal hair, not like yours or mine. It wasn’t fuzzy. It was longer hair. Like a pomeranian’s hair, but coarser or thicker. It was damp or wet.

Hair colour: Grey colour, medium-light grey colour, not dark. Tips of hair or ends of the hair was lighter colour.

Hair length: Length was quite long, 12 to 15 inches. This was on the arm hair, hanging down from the shoulders. It was clinging together in v-shapes like animal hair does when it’s wet. On it’s front it wasn’t so long. Head hair wasn’t as long. Saw side and shoulder. Didn’t get a good look at face or front.

Facial features: Witness began by saying she couldn’t describe, reminding me that it happened 20 years ago. But as she thought about it more, she said the face didn’t have a lot of depth to it, when it looked at her, so from the front. It did have eyes, a mouth and nose like a human. She didn’t remember a large nose or large features. She said it was more like a human’s face. But she didn’t remember any other features of the face.

Shape of head: Head blended in with the body. She said hair really makes it difficult to see. Hair kept you from seeing the shape of the head.

Shape of eyes: Like shape of human’s eye.

Skin colour: She doesn’t remember, but at the time, she didn’t notice a change from skin to hair, so thinks the skin could be the same colour as hair.

Limbs: Arms were hairy. Legs very hairy.

Feet or hands: No, didn’t notice feet, hands or fingers.

Posture: It wasn’t hunched over. He was leaning a bit at the top but very minimal.

Stride/motion: He wasn’t lifting the bottom part of his legs up a lot.

Arm swing: No, arms weren’t swinging a lot, moved a bit, but not a lot. She said “like a person.” I told her that a person walking this fast would have arms swinging a lot. She said this creature wasn’t swinging it’s arms a lot.

Odours: No, windows were closed

Sounds: Absolutely none

The witness also said there were large tracts of woods and bush not far from there, mentioning the Beaver Valley to the north, and caves, as well as a river that was closer to Flesherton. And indeed, a few miles to the north is the Beaver River system which runs north through Beaver Valley into Georgian Bay at Thornbury. In addition, the Saugeen River crosses Hwy 10 just a few miles to the north of the sighting location, and is likely the river the witness was talking about since it is situated closer to Flesherton. This river is fed by many tributaries that run northwest from this location, and the whole system empties into Lake Huron just north of Port Elgin.

I conducted an interview with the second witness, the driver of the car one week after my initial interview with the witness. The two women had never spoken about the incident after it happened, so this was an opportunity to see if their stories agreed or not. For the most part the details were the same. The second witness had a clearer recollection of the weather conditions and the oncoming vehicle, as would be expected since she was driving. She remembered touching the brakes and slowing down, which the reporting witness did not remember. She also saw some fog on the road, but not enough to interfere with their view of the creature. She did not, however, remember as many descriptive details of the creature itself, simply because her concentration was on the road, not on what was crossing it. She said there was a vague human shape that crossed the road. She described it as big, but not like a person wearing clothes, yet upright, and not a bear shape standing up. She said it was fast and it was close. It was on the pavement by the time they saw it. This witness also remembered the exact location and offered to show me the spot. She has never discussed this incident with anyone since it happened.

Conclusion:

The reporting witness seemed very credible. The experience she had has weighed heavily on her for many years. She has spoken to her family and a few friends about it without reservation. She said it didn’t concern her to be talking about it to her family, because they all know her and know she wouldn’t be talking about something like that if it didn’t happen. She acted relieved to have someone to talk to about it who knew something about the subject. She asked if there were any sightings of grey creatures, saying that she hadn’t seen any reports of that coloured hair. I told her that there were reports of grey ones. She seemed very relieved about this, and repeated that the one she saw was grey.

I asked if the witness was willing to accompany me to the sighting location at a future date, and she immediately agreed, saying she’d like to go back to the location, although it happened at night, 20 years ago, and she wasn’t quite sure of the exact spot on the hwy. But she also mentioned that her friend might remember where exactly it was, and also her friend might remember many more details than she did. She said that when she contacted her friend to ask permission for me to call her, she wouldn’t discuss any of the details with her. She asked me to phone her back after I spoke with the friend, so she could hear what her friend had to say about it and compare with what she remembered. That, to me, does not sound like someone who wants to get the story straight with the second witness before speaking with the investigator.

When the weather permits, the Ontario team is planning a site visit. We also plan to do some further investigation of the surrounding areas, including the Beaver Valley area and the cave systems in the region. The witness asked if she could be included in our field investigations.

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